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Given that she #8217 s married has a family no prior offenses and freely turned herself in the punishment _seems_ to fit the crime. Note clearly and unequivocally I #8217 m not defending her behavior. I #8217 m stating that moral outrage needs to be tempered with logic and reason and facts. Comment by J. on 3/29/10 at 2 29 pm To J. ~ Logic #8212 Girls of 14 and boys of 14 are both highly vulnerable and that #8217 s why the laws that constitute age of adult consent were created. Their minds are not mature and they can easily be manipulated. Facts #8212 The teacher broke the law. Reason #8212 If you consider logic and facts you must come to the conclusion that the action of the teacher was wrong and deserving of punishment. In addition to all of the above a teacher whatever the age has a responsibility to look out for the welfare of her charges. This teacher decided not to heed that important responsibility. The court should have thrown the book at her. Thanks James Comment by James on 3/29/10 at 3 21 pm I will neither elaborate nor try to justify my thinking I #8217 ll just leave my opinion. No crime has been committed. If the act was illega the law is wrong. The teacher did not #8220 rape #8221 the boy. If she doesn #8217 t get pregnant nor gave the boy an STD she did not harm him in any way. Sex is not wrong not harmful not a #8220 sin #8221 . Sex is life and health. Comment by A Takshe on 3/29/10 at 4 24 pm A Takshe #8230 wow #8230 Since you sound like a free spirit and guru since you believe that Sex is not wrong not harmful not a “sin”. Sex is life and health. How about this one #8230 Karma #8230 lets hope that comment doesn #8217 t bite you in the butt when this happens to one of your children little boy or little girl. You wouldn #8217 t be sayins sex is life and health #8230 I wonder how many boys and girls are raped and killed when they first thought the person they found online #8220 loved #8221 them. wow #8230 reading some of these comments means our country truly is in trouble if we justify rape of a child per our countries laws #8230 . Comment by Joe on 3/30/10 at 12 58 am Ilana #8230 you forgot to mention this woman is married and has three children of her own #8230 all of which are UNDER 18. This makes it even worse. She is 33. Assuming her first child was born at 18 her oldest would be 15 #8230 .. what a sick person #8230 her other two children are younger than that. Also her husband is a police officer.. and plans to take her back #8230 these kids deserve better parents. If this was a man his kids would have been taken away from him. But I guess she is reaaaaalllly sorry so it is ok #8230 sarcasm Comment by Joe on 3/30/10 at 1 10 am I do have one more thing to add it #8217 s off topic in a way but notable noetheless #8230 This is one of the few #8220 threads #8221 I #8217 ve read that hasn #8217 t de-volved into name calling. insults and rage. Kudos to evryone who has posted here for either agreeing or disagreeing without rancor. That at least is refreshing. Comment by Chuckterzella on 3/30/10 at 8 06 am Laws and logic are often qualitative and we have to make sure that the essence of law is upheld. I think Joe missed my point about sexual politics We #8217 d all agree that a similar case with a 14yo girl and a 33yo male teacher WOULD be treated differently because of our perception of sex in our society. Sex is thought of as a rite of passage for a young man a loss of innocence in a young woman. When I have a son knock on wood my interest will be to protect his dignity and raise him with a strong foundation for adulthood. Were he at 14 to find himself in a situation like this case my interest would be to understand and listen to his feelings which in this case it was noted before none of us are privy to . Critical to my reaction would be my son #8217 s perception of what happened. Were he to think he was abused taken advantage of etc I would be first in line to see that justice be fairly administered. But were he to think he #8217 d experienced something special something healthy and something natural I feel it would be remiss and even irresponsible of me to shout for his teacher to be dragged through the street. What message would that send to my son A young man walking into adulthood Sex is wrong The positive feelings he expressed about his experience with his partner were #8220 wrong #8221 He is a #8220 victim #8221 What #8217 s preventing us from reaching a clear consensus is the human element of this case which we are each filling in on our own between the lines. Comment by Anthony on 3/30/10 at 8 54 am This is more than just being about sex. Sex is the least important part of this story. It is a about a grown woman who is paid to teach and mold our children abusing her power. 14 year old boys want to have sex. I get it. But to think of this woman simply having sex with this child is not the issue. She was his teacher. She was in a position of power She manipulated a situation. That is the core of this story and for that reason alone she was not punished appropriately. I stick by my article. She is a rapist. Ilana Comment by Ilana Angel on 3/30/10 at 9 03 am @ Joe Your vision of what sex represents is certainly different than mine. I will let Anthony #8217 s comments speak for me - I agree with almost everything he said. @ Ilana You say #8220 This is more than just being about sex. Sex is the least important part of this story #8221 . Then you say #8220 She is a rapist. #8221 Let me ask you respectfully don #8217 t you think you are letting the emotion speak too loud and as a consequence contradicting yourself Comment by A Taksche on 3/30/10 at 11 33 am A Taksche Rape has nothing to do with sex. Rape is about power and manipulation. I was not being emotional and I did not contradict myself. He is a child driven by hormones and she abused her power and manipulated a child. Ilana Comment by Ilana Angel on 3/30/10 at 12 50 pm Ilana You write #8220 Rape has nothing to do with sex. Rape is about power and manipulation. #8221 That is quite a broad definition of rape. It would be difficult to write and enforce precise laws based on such definition. You see #8220 power #8221 and #8220 manipulation #8221 includes practically all political acts #8230 Now a question to everybody not only to Ilana just to frame the discussion a little better what harm exactly was done to the boy Again this question is just to frame the discussion. Of course if somebody tells me my suggestions are not welcome in this forum I #8217 ll just go away. I don #8217 t like to polemicize just for the sake of it. I want to educate myself about the ideas of others. Comment by A Taksche on 3/30/10 at 1 03 pm I am just a writer and do not think I am qualified or interested in defining what rape is. As for what harm was done to the boy I think I have expressed my opinion and I welcome you all to discuss the topic. I #8217 m finding all of your comments to be quite interesting. I will say that when you have a child the situation provides you with a different perspective. I #8217 m wondering A Taksche are you male or female There seems to be a division between the sexes on this one. Ilana Comment by Ilana Angel on 3/30/10 at 1 26 pm I think what Taksche is pointing at Ilana and what I #8217 ve mentioned is that laws should be beholden to the essence for which they were passed. There is a very rigid definition of rape which most states define as #8220 forcible sexual relations with a person against that person #8217 s will #8221 . There #8217 s an understanding that minors are unable to give their consent and so such cases are also categorized as rape. We have to agree that the essence of the law is to protect children and looking at the larger picture it #8217 s understandable to me why prosecutors in this case did not pursue more heavy prison time. Is anyone familiar with Jerry Lee Lewis Comment by Anthony on 3/30/10 at 3 10 pm Short one first @ Anthony I agree with what you say. The only thing I have to add can be inferred from my comment back to Ilana right below. Now the long one @ Ilana You write #8220 I’m wondering A Taksche are you male or female There seems to be a division between the sexes on this one. #8221 Hmmm #8230 The distinction between the sexes/genders. That *is* a very important point because no matter what the currently fashionable thing to say is women and men are different in perception behaviour reactions psychological aspects physical aspects etc. Please let me make it clear that I am *NOT* putting either above the other My main point is I think it is *extremely* difficult to say that a female raped a male in any meaningful way. Anthony already mentioned that asymmetry in one of his posts #8220 penis invades vagina accepts #8221 etc . That #8217 s just how it works - plain biology with all its implications. Intercourse between two #8220 normal #8221 and functional people of opposite genders in a situation where no violence coercion or deception occurred is a natural thing. Four points come to my mind though that might deserve attention 1 Sex resulting in unwanted pregnancy 2 Sex resulting in the communication of disease 3 Sex resulting from violence true #8220 rape #8221 for short 4 Sex with a person mentally unfit to decide I fail to remember the legal name for such a person . From what I saw on the news none of 1 2 or 3 apply. So let #8217 s see #4. In this particular story one could argue that the boy is #8220 mentally unfit #8221 or at least not mature enough to understand what the #8220 big #8221 meaning of sex is and therefore he was harmed. Well I don #8217 t think that even so he would have been harmed. If he wasn #8217 t able to #8220 understand the meaning of sex #8221 it was just another physical activity another step in his discovery of his own biological functions. It is up to society maybe not to label him nor the teacher as victim or criminal so that the two of them will go about their lives as usual. Any results - if any - of their intercourse would be matters to be discussed only inside or between their families at most . And finally if I were to take any disciplinary action against the teacher it would be *at most* firing her - *nothing* else - for using the school premises in a manner inconsistent with their purpose or something like that. Purely an administrative penalty. No need to specifically mention sex-related activity. Ah and to answer your question I am a male. Sorry for the long comment. This is a subject that can fill volumes and I wanted to be as thorough as possible in this relatively small space #8230 Comment by A Taschke on 3/30/10 at 4 00 pm Folks Just to thank you for the opportunity to have an intelligent discussion. I think I have said most of I had to say and I hope I have contributed somehow. See you next time. Comment by A Taksche on 3/30/10 at 4 47 pm My god you are so ignorant. My brother goes to school there and she was his teacher this year. You are making her out to be what she #8217 s not. And by the way there is no way a female teacher and damage a TEENAGE boy emotionally. This kid is getting high fives at school now. You people into religion are so close-minded get out of that box Comment by Evelyn Valdivieso on 3/30/10 at 10 54 pm I think it #8217 s important to understand that there isn #8217 t a clear-cut black and white one size fits all rule that can determine whether abuse has been committed. There is no question she broke the student/teacher boundary that isn #8217 t in question. But the essence of the law is of the utmost importance and unfortunately none of us are close enough to the case to see those important implications that are critical to that judgement. My guess is the guy who #8217 s 15 now is fine although the media attention is probably intrusive. Is the woman in this case a real #8220 sex offender #8221 I would find it difficult to fathom if we can #8217 t draw a distinction as a society between this woman and some guy at a park trying to give candy to children to try and touch them. There is a difference and the punishment should fit the crime if a crime has been committed. I #8217 ve also found this discussion interesting and appreciate the professionalism. Thanks again Comment by Anthony on 3/31/10 at 9 31 am According to Judaism a relationship between a 14 year old boy or girl and an older person is permitted and for millennia Jews of those ages sometimes married and had sex approved by their communities. Gluckl of Hameln is an example - she got married at 14. Judaism sets minimum ages at 12 for girls and 13 for boys. I think California #8217 s high age of consent of 18 is ridiculous and should be somewhere between 13 and 16. That being said I support keeping penalties against teachers who have sex with students that they directly teach or supervise. In my state sex is lawful with 16 year olds except if you #8217 re a teacher or coach or have some other kind of authority over your teenage partner. Ilana is correct that the teacher abused her power. Comment by K. B. on 3/31/10 at 8 27 pm #8220 Judaism sets minimum ages at 12 for girls and 13 for boys. #8221 Correct. Our society insists on treating young adults as children. Admiral David Farragut joined the US Navy when he was 9 and commanded his first ship at the age of 12. Times have changed and not entirely for the better. Any teacher with such poor judgment should certainly have their license to teach revoked. But Amy Beck of course resigned her teaching job before anyone knew why. Absent force or fraud what Amy Beck did does not meet my concept of criminal conduct. And even if it did she is an unusually penitent and remorseful offender. If I was the sentencing judge I would suspend the sentence and send her home to her husband and children. Comment by Doug Sterling on 3/31/10 at 10 13 pm Ok I don #8217 t really know when this was all posted but I #8217 m 14 and I read. Every post. I think the woman did abuse her power as a teacher but if the boy was willing and yes we fantasize about this kind of stuff all the time then I think the punishment was very suitable to what it is. Also I think that a certain test should be created to see if young men at my age are sexually and mentally mature for things like this. Idk about girls cuz I don #8217 t really know all the details and such but if the boys pass I think the age of sexual consent I think its called Should be lowered. Comment by Trent on 11/09/10 at 7 28 pm Trent would that there were a #8220 maturity test #8221 sexual or otherwise #8230 it would help us avoid ALL sorts of problems. But if you are indeed a 14 year old boy which I somehow kind of doubt I don #8217 t think you #8217 d pass it. It #8217 s the same in the office the Army and every other situation where there is someone in control and someone under that control #8230 You just don #8217 t sleep with the #8220 employee #8221 . 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Forum Member Join Date Feb 2005 Location A Van down by the river. Posts 1 319 Popular Negro Teacher was having Sex with 14 yr old girls amp Threesomes at School Local band teacher accused of raping student taking pictures of the sex acts May 14 2009 - 6 12 PM Quote Surprising new evidence surfaces in the case of a popular band teacher accused of having sex with students and fellow co-workers inside his band room . Heath Miller former band teacher at Watkins Middle School in Palm Beach Gardens may stay behind bars for a long time. Prosecutors are furious they've found what appears to be photos of Miller having sex with young girls. They also say he tried to destroy evidence and even intimidate the victims into changing their stories. Miller was voted the most popular teacher at the school in 2007. Now he's accused of having sex or fondling four of his students. One even says he pulled her out of class and then raped her inside his band room. Now we're finding out inside that band room was a memory card. Police say stored in that card were pictures of him having sex with girls. The card was turned in by another teacher that Miller had sex with at school. She says Miller asked her to remove the card from band room so police couldn't find it. The state is also worried about Miller's attempts to get the victims to change their stories by having other people contact the victims. In a motion just filled prosecutors are asking that Miller stay jailed until his trial due to the quot probability of intimidation and danger to the victims and witnesses. quot Quote A personal den where Palm Beach County School District police say the 34-year-old music teacher lured female students for unprotected sex possibly for years. Miller was jailed last month on charges of having sex with one student and fondling others. On Thursday he was slammed with a dozen more charges including rape after additional victims came forward tearing down a small empire the charismatic Miller had built for himself at the Palm Beach Gardens school. It was a place where according to a school police investigative report female teachers spoke openly about his reputation for having quot threesomes quot with other teachers . related content http // cbs12 /news/miller-4717878-band-sex.html http // palmbeachpost /localne...ler.html imw=Y http // palmbeachpost /localne...id=inform_artr __________________ quot The giant oak is an acorn that held it's ground. quot Anonymous quot Were the slaves of the phony leaders - Breathe the air we have blown you quot quot If you worship your enemy you are defeated. quot quot If you adopt your enemy's religion you are enslaved. quot quot If you breed with your enemy you are destroyed. quot Polydoros 05-16-2009 08 17 AM # 2 NNTT Forum Member Join Date Jul 2008 Location FL Posts 72 Re Popular Negro Teacher was having Sex with 14 yr old girls amp Threesomes at School There's a 21-page quot probable cause affidavit quot in .pdf format at http //alt.coxnewsweb /palmbeachp...ath_miller.pdf . It's highly descriptive of what occured to this young girl. Quote In April Miller went to the girls remedial reading class and told her teacher he needed to speak to her. The girl pleaded with a teacher not to let Miller take her out of class. Though Miller didnt give the teacher a specific reason for needing the student she told the girl to see him after she was done her work. As she made her way to the band room the girl told a teacher in the hallway that she did not want to see Miller and asked if she would come with her to the meeting. The teacher escorted her to the room but did not stay. That is when Miller allegedly raped the girl. Quote It was a place where according to a school police investigative report female teachers spoke openly about his reputation for having quot threesomes quot with other teachers. He had multiple affairs with women in the school including a Watkins math teacher who told police her rendezvous with Miller also occurred in the band uniform room the report said. And he had sex with two eighth-graders and fondled two others it said. He became so bold that by the end he pulled one girl from her remedial reading class with no explanation and raped her in April the report said. Days later he barged into a guidance counselor's office where the girl sat crying and asked the counselor to leave. The counselor refused. Police also say he tried to coerce an adult mistress to ask victims to recant their reports to police. Through it all Miller remained an admired even quot adored quot figure by most. In 2007 he was voted the most popular teacher having arrived at the school just two years earlier. Girls interviewed by police said they didn't want to say anything against Miller because he had quot done so much for them. quot Police noted in their report that the girls' testimony may cause quot each of them great difficulty in their future and within the black community as Mr. Miller is highly respected and considered by many as a role model. quot quot You trust him so much you don't think he will do you like that quot one of his alleged victims told police. Catherine Sampson whose daughter attended Watkins until this year said she believes the girls who spoke with police might be lying. quot He was one of my daughter's favorite teachers quot Sampson said. Miller quot brought out the best in all his students quot said parent Joanne Seifel whose son was in Miller's chorus two years ago. quot He was a great mentor. My memories of him are nothing but positive. quot Quote While teachers say they were having sex with Miller as early as October 2007 the first case involving a student came to light April 16 when a bus driver told school police about a girl on her route who complained Miller had molested her. Additional students came forward after Miller's arrest on April 20. Their interviews subsequently led investigators to a Watkins teacher who said she had sex with Miller with the permission of Miller's wife. Another teacher who admitted to having sex with Miller in her classroom said it was not consensual and that she was intimidated by him. A third woman also admitted to having consensual sex with Miller with his wife's permission and said Miller asked her to call the girls he allegedly molested and tell them to recant their stories. Police say they also are investigating reports that Miller had sex with girls who are now in high school. Quote According to a motion by prosecutors police have found images of Heath Miller having sex with young females on the memory card of a cell phone he kept in the band room at H.L. Watkins Middle School. Allegedly Miller after being sent home by administrators asked another teacher to go into the band room and take the memory card. The teacher who admitted having sex with Miller did not know what was on the memory card but suspected it was pictures of her and Miller. That teacher turned the memory card over to police. Quote Kevin Whitaker the cousin of Heath Miller has been arrested on allegations that he called one of the 14-year-old alleged victims in the Heath Miller case and told her to wash her clothing to get rid of any physical evidence. The mother of the alleged victim called the number back and warned the caller never to call again. Police say that Whitaker used another womans cell phone to place the call. Quote Investigators now say that four female students claim that Miller had unprotected sex with them or molested them in the schools band room. The charges involving physical evidence and obstruction of justice center on allegations that Miller tried to get some of the girls to say nothing happened or to otherwise change their story. Apparently the trespass charge centers on allegations that Miller who is reportedly married also had sex with three adult women including two female teachers in the band room at Howell Watkins Middle School. Aside from the eighth grade girls he had sex with and the others he fondled. As well as the three teachers he had sex with it's presumed he's done this with numerous other girls and teachers that aren't being reported. Why aren't the teachers being charged as well http //badbadteacher /heath-miller/ 05-16-2009 09 09 AM # 3 CriticalThinker Forum Member Join Date Mar 2009 Location Florida Posts 808 Re Popular Negro Teacher was having Sex with 14 yr old girls amp Threesomes at School Please tell me the girls were not White 05-16-2009 10 08 AM # 4 BloodRaven Forum Member Join Date May 2007 Posts 4 338 Re Popular Negro Teacher was having Sex with 14 yr old girls amp Threesomes at School What the heck kind of school is this that teachers are having threesomes with one another. I have to believe this was a primarily black school with black staff. Anyone have the demos on this place 05-16-2009 10 20 AM # 5 EASTCOAST WARRIOR Forum Member Join Date Oct 2005 Location New Africa Posts 6 791 Re Popular Negro Teacher was having Sex with 14 yr old girls amp Threesomes at School Most popular teacher having sex with students and co workers as well and obviously no one turned him away. Even the student that was raped didn't report him to the police That's disgusting. Sounds like none of his sex-mates had a problem with it. Hopefully it was a black school. 05-16-2009 10 44 AM # 6 NNTT Forum Member Join Date Jul 2008 Location FL Posts 72 Re Popular Negro Teacher was having Sex with 14 yr old girls amp Threesomes at School Quote Originally Posted by BloodRaven What the heck kind of school is this that teachers are having threesomes with one another. I have to believe this was a primarily black school with black staff. Anyone have the demos on this place Yes according to wikipedia As of the census of 2000 there were 35 058 people 15 599 households and 10 217 families residing in the city. The population density was 243.1/km² 629.6/mi² . There were 18 317 housing units at an average density of 127.0/km² 329.0/mi² . The racial makeup of the city was 93.78% White 89.1% were Non-Hispanic White 6 2.30% African American 0.11% Native American 2.15% Asian 0.03% Pacific Islander 0.67% from other races and 0.96% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 5.63% of the population. http //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Beach_Gardens#Demographics Howell L Watkins Middle School 9480 Macarthur Blvd Palm Beach Gardens FL 33403 561 776-3600 Don't fret my friend. Seems as if the school is primarily black. A website known as quot schoolfolks quot states that Howell L. Watkins Middle School has a total enrollment of 967 students. 592 Blacks 268 White 73 Hispanic 32 Asian and 2 Native Americans. Though I'm unsure if this is the most up-to-date information. Alternatively a realty website states that the school is 61.2% Black 27.7% White 7.5% Hispanic and 3.3% Asian. These percentages back up the schoolfolks summmary. Ex 967 x 0.612= 591.804 If that makes any sense. Sadly given those percentages a lot of race mixing must occur at that school. On another note I personally doubt all the students and teachers that were involved were solely african-american. Blacks just can't keep their hands off of white women. https // schoolfolks /enrollment/51116 http // azhomesrealty /school_...l=120150001481 05-16-2009 11 20 AM # 7 MyselfMia Forum Member Join Date Dec 2003 Location Florida Posts 590 Re Popular Negro Teacher was having Sex with 14 yr old girls amp Threesomes at School Quote Originally Posted by BloodRaven What the heck kind of school is this that teachers are having threesomes with one another. I have to believe this was a primarily black school with black staff. Anyone have the demos on this place The demographics of Palm Beach Gardens according to wikipedia Demographics As of the census 1 of 2000 there were 35 058 people 15 599 households and 10 217 families residing in the city. The population density was 243.1/km² 629.6/mi² . There were 18 317 housing units at an average density of 127.0/km² 329.0/mi² . The racial makeup of the city was 93.78% White 89.1% were Non-Hispanic White 6 2.30% African American 0.11% Native American 2.15% Asian 0.03% Pacific Islander 0.67% from other races and 0.96% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 5.63% of the population. http //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Be...rdens _Florida 05-16-2009 01 17 PM # 8 BloodRaven Forum Member Join Date May 2007 Posts 4 338 Re Popular Negro Teacher was having Sex with 14 yr old girls amp Threesomes at School Interesting there was a school here that had a black quot rape club quot basically these guys would go to parties and intimidate everyone and take a girl they liked. I know the step mom of one of the girls no one would ever speak up against it. 05-16-2009 01 24 PM # 9 Waffen Warrior Account Inactive Join Date Mar 2009 Location Little Mexico NJ Posts 530 Re Popular Negro Teacher was having Sex with 14 yr old girls amp Threesomes at School Quote Originally Posted by BloodRaven What the heck kind of school is this that teachers are having threesomes with one another. I have to believe this was a primarily black school with black staff. Anyone have the demos on this place Ya this kind of behavior most likely happened in a quot Negro School quot . They are nothing but a bunch of animal savages This monkey should rot in prison for the rest of his life. 05-16-2009 01 33 PM # 10 General T. "Friend of Stormfront" Sustaining Member Join Date Jul 2007 Location America Posts 1 514 Re Popular Negro Teacher was having Sex with 14 yr old girls amp Threesomes at School That's just nasty. I would prefer not to even hear these kinds of stories. The animals need to be under some kind of surveillance. So we as people would know which ones of these animals need to be removed before this kind of thing happens. 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Lawyer complains it is unfair his tradesman client is put on sex offender registry for having sex with a 14-year-old as he will not get contracts to build schools abc.net.au 81 More Dumbass shopkeepers age of consents sexual predators sex offenders sex offender registry sexual offenses #8226 #8226 #8226 5982 clicks posted to Main raquo on 28 Apr 2011 at 10 04 AM Favorite share more raquo shirt it Share this link URL http //fk.cm/go/6152492 Bookmark URL http //fk.cm/6152492 Bookmark Article Comments close 81 Comments +0 raquo Paginated 50/page Single page Single page reversed Normal view Change images to links Show raw HTML Show posts from ignored users First laquo 1 2 raquo Last Show all Sybarite 2011-04-28 09 08 27 AM "He's going to face massive restrictions on his life because he had a consensual bit of mucking around with a girl who was underage. He was 19 at the time it's just silly and it's unfair " I might be willing to cut him some slack if she were a couple of years older but 14 That's farked up. Diogenes 2011-04-28 09 35 45 AM "Your honor my client should not have his license revoked for multiple DUIs as he provides a significant amount of business and revenue for our community's bars." Diogenes 2011-04-28 09 37 11 AM I wonder how it even made it to the courts kingoomieiii 2011-04-28 09 52 23 AM If you bang around in a high school after you graduate society will make it a point to keep you away from them. Andrew Wiggin 2011-04-28 10 06 16 AM HotWingConspiracy 2011-04-28 10 07 34 AM I see nothing offensive about this sex. mdbirt 2011-04-28 10 08 48 AM All teenagers who have sex should be put on the sex offender list for life. What because you are a teenager you can have sex with an underage person How about because you are a criminal you are allowed to commit crimes Or because one is a sociopath they are allowed to murder. wallywam1 2011-04-28 10 11 35 AM That's the joke. Mootwo 2011-04-28 10 12 41 AM MadCat221 2011-04-28 10 14 30 AM mdbirt All teenagers who have sex should be put on the sex offender list for life. What because you are a teenager you can have sex with an underage person How about because you are a criminal you are allowed to commit crimes Or because one is a sociopath they are allowed to murder. Thankfully or unfortunately idiots are still allowed to dispense with logic. salvador.hardin 2011-04-28 10 15 35 AM what the hell are kids doing hanging around at construction sites slashmonkey 2011-04-28 10 16 06 AM The scarlet letter of the 21st century. If they can't be rehabilitated why are they being let out If they can be rehabilitated why are they being punished after serving their debt to society wmoonfox 2011-04-28 10 16 32 AM salvador.hardin what the hell are kids doing hanging around at construction sites Having sex obviously. ha-ha-guy 2011-04-28 10 17 34 AM Nineteen and fourteen is definitely on the creepy side. With a late birthday I was 14 going into high school. Toss in someone who had was held back a year and you get a 14-19 pairing. I maintain any senior dating a freshman girl is likely a loser but I don't really support criminal charges over that age gap. I feel at those ages you kind of have to base it on peer group. Those age ranges are going to be interacting and it is my job as a parent to raise my daughter to have higher standards than 19 year old construction worker. It is not the job of the police to toss the guy in jail over it. /yes I have two daughters //I would not be happy if they made the same choices as this girl /I would also feel as if I was a bad parent kingoomieiii 2011-04-28 10 20 48 AM ha-ha-guy I maintain any senior dating a freshman girl is likely a loser Or a pedophile in training. I knew a guy in high school who would dump his girlfriend every September and start dating a new freshman. And I mean like clockwork he did this three years in a row. AgentKGB 2011-04-28 10 21 41 AM Well of course he wants to build the schools... how else is he going to get those wireless cameras in the girls showers AgentKGB 2011-04-28 10 22 30 AM kingoomieiii ha-ha-guy I maintain any senior dating a freshman girl is likely a loser Or a pedophile in training. I knew a guy in high school who would dump his girlfriend every September and start dating a new freshman. And I mean like clockwork he did this three years in a row. If they're freshmen though wouldn't it be hebophile HotWingConspiracy 2011-04-28 10 23 20 AM ha-ha-guy Those age ranges are going to be interacting and it is my job as a parent to raise my daughter to have higher standards than 19 year old construction worker. At 14 You'd rather she shoot for the 16 year old KFC employee The prevailing standard of a 14 year old girl is "he has a car". Beeblebrox 2011-04-28 10 26 30 AM slashmonkey The scarlet letter of the 21st century. If they can't be rehabilitated why are they being let out If they can be rehabilitated why are they being punished after serving their debt to society Not all "punishment" ends when they let you out. Many people are on probation for years. Many felons can never vote again or hold certain jobs. I have no pity for this guy. BeerBear 2011-04-28 10 26 31 AM He was 19 and she 14 Lawyer a farking moron The_Original_Roxtar 2011-04-28 10 27 00 AM people need to stick to the formula age/2 +7 19/2 = 9.5 9.5+7 = 16.5 MINIMUM. kaellorian 2011-04-28 10 27 13 AM I get that a 19 year old and a 14 year old is creepy but assuming everything was consensual does the 19 year old deserve 10 years or however long it is of being on a list full of child rapists and kidnappers So because he's a creep he's gotta wait till he's 30 to be able to date normally or find a good job I don't like the large brush legislatures use and the fact that judges are left with nothing to do but effectuate the legislature's wishes. Besides like the war on drugs it's all just politics. It doesn't stop sexual abuse. It just punishes. ha-ha-guy 2011-04-28 10 28 59 AM HotWingConspiracy ha-ha-guy Those age ranges are going to be interacting and it is my job as a parent to raise my daughter to have higher standards than 19 year old construction worker. At 14 You'd rather she shoot for the 16 year old KFC employee The prevailing standard of a 14 year old girl is "he has a car". I don't really care about after school job just the fact that the kid seems to have an IQ suggesting he will achieve some form of post high school education. I know they likely won't be together for that long but I prefer my daughters establish the habit of picking intelligent partners early. I'm perfectly fine my eldest daughter's boyfriend. He's a nice kid intelligent and polite enough. Treats her well. Now if she brought home a guy who was in vocational training as opposed to college prep classes then dad might say something. Actually this kid works at Pizza Hut. As a veteran of the high school era pizza industry myself I have no issues. Bunnyhat 2011-04-28 10 29 37 AM The_Original_Roxtar people need to stick to the formula age/2 +7 19/2 = 9.5 9.5+7 = 16.5 MINIMUM. Damn it. I always forget to add the 7. Tatsumaki Senpuu-Kyaku 2011-04-28 10 29 44 AM Yeah I note that subby chose not to point out that the "sex offender" is a teenager too. / I wonder why // I don't really. JohnWayne'sMangirdle 2011-04-28 10 31 03 AM AgentKGB kingoomieiii ha-ha-guy I maintain any senior dating a freshman girl is likely a loser Or a pedophile in training. I knew a guy in high school who would dump his girlfriend every September and start dating a new freshman. And I mean like clockwork he did this three years in a row. If they're freshmen though wouldn't it be hebophile No it's pedophile. Fundies know that everyone who even thinks about sex with a human between 14 and 17.99 is a pedophile. What's wrong with you man dreadprophet 2011-04-28 10 31 04 AM Well is she hot /farkers are slipping cig-mkr 2011-04-28 10 32 32 AM Did you know that if you are in a country where the age of consent is fourteen and you have sex with a fourteen year old you can be convicted if they find out when you return to the U.S Tatsuhiko 2011-04-28 10 33 41 AM salvador.hardin what the hell are kids doing hanging around at construction sites I was wondering the same thing... what does this have to do with getting school contracts /Unless they mean building onto schools already built. HotWingConspiracy 2011-04-28 10 34 02 AM ha-ha-guy HotWingConspiracy ha-ha-guy Those age ranges are going to be interacting and it is my job as a parent to raise my daughter to have higher standards than 19 year old construction worker. At 14 You'd rather she shoot for the 16 year old KFC employee The prevailing standard of a 14 year old girl is "he has a car". I don't really care about after school job just the fact that the kid seems to have an IQ suggesting he will achieve some form of post high school education. I know they likely won't be together for that long but I prefer my daughters establish the habit of picking intelligent partners early. I'm perfectly fine my eldest daughter's boyfriend. He's a nice kid intelligent and polite enough. Treats her well. Now if she brought home a guy who was in vocational training as opposed to college prep classes then dad might say something. I don't really understand the disdain for blue collar people but to each his own. cig-mkr 2011-04-28 10 36 38 AM Age of consent worldwide Link new window ph0rk 2011-04-28 10 38 05 AM HotWingConspiracy I don't really understand the disdain for blue collar people but to each his own. They are bad Americans and bad people obviously. Real Americans work on Wall Street. Tatsumaki Senpuu-Kyaku 2011-04-28 10 39 15 AM HotWingConspiracy ha-ha-guy HotWingConspiracy ha-ha-guy Those age ranges are going to be interacting and it is my job as a parent to raise my daughter to have higher standards than 19 year old construction worker. At 14 You'd rather she shoot for the 16 year old KFC employee The prevailing standard of a 14 year old girl is "he has a car". I don't really care about after school job just the fact that the kid seems to have an IQ suggesting he will achieve some form of post high school education. I know they likely won't be together for that long but I prefer my daughters establish the habit of picking intelligent partners early. I'm perfectly fine my eldest daughter's boyfriend. He's a nice kid intelligent and polite enough. Treats her well. Now if she brought home a guy who was in vocational training as opposed to college prep classes then dad might say something. I don't really understand the disdain for blue collar people but to each his own. Everyone needs to feel superior to someone I guess. ha-ha-guy 2011-04-28 10 39 41 AM HotWingConspiracy ha-ha-guy HotWingConspiracy ha-ha-guy Those age ranges are going to be interacting and it is my job as a parent to raise my daughter to have higher standards than 19 year old construction worker. At 14 You'd rather she shoot for the 16 year old KFC employee The prevailing standard of a 14 year old girl is "he has a car". I don't really care about after school job just the fact that the kid seems to have an IQ suggesting he will achieve some form of post high school education. I know they likely won't be together for that long but I prefer my daughters establish the habit of picking intelligent partners early. I'm perfectly fine my eldest daughter's boyfriend. He's a nice kid intelligent and polite enough. Treats her well. Now if she brought home a guy who was in vocational training as opposed to college prep classes then dad might say something. I don't really understand the disdain for blue collar people but to each his own. A kid headed off to college is less likely to want to push the relationship in the direction of something permeant and have a much higher level of successful birth control. Basically every study ever done has found the higher the IQ of the participants the higher level of success with birth control. Thus a smart kid reduces the odds of a teenage pregnancy. If coming out of college she marries a construction worker I wouldn't have an issue. For now though I prefer her dating in the pool that has the lowest rate of unplanned pregnancy and a higher rate of emotional stability. Aidan 2011-04-28 10 42 08 AM ph0rk HotWingConspiracy I don't really understand the disdain for blue collar people but to each his own. They are bad Americans and bad people obviously. Real Americans work on Wall Street. I don't think he meant it to be particularly disdainful. He's a father of 2 girls. Here are his assumed priorities 1. Daughter is happy in relationship future marriage . 2. Daughter is comfortable in relationship future marriage . 1 could be any boyfriend who treats her right and makes her happy. 2 is anyone with enough MONEY to make her life easy/fun/better. That's *generally* easier with someone going to college. Tatsumaki Senpuu-Kyaku 2011-04-28 10 45 06 AM ha-ha-guy HotWingConspiracy ha-ha-guy HotWingConspiracy ha-ha-guy Those age ranges are going to be interacting and it is my job as a parent to raise my daughter to have higher standards than 19 year old construction worker. At 14 You'd rather she shoot for the 16 year old KFC employee The prevailing standard of a 14 year old girl is "he has a car". I don't really care about after school job just the fact that the kid seems to have an IQ suggesting he will achieve some form of post high school education. I know they likely won't be together for that long but I prefer my daughters establish the habit of picking intelligent partners early. I'm perfectly fine my eldest daughter's boyfriend. He's a nice kid intelligent and polite enough. Treats her well. Now if she brought home a guy who was in vocational training as opposed to college prep classes then dad might say something. I don't really understand the disdain for blue collar people but to each his own. A kid headed off to college is less likely to want to push the relationship in the direction of something permeant and have a much higher level of successful birth control. Basically every study ever done has found the higher the IQ of the participants the higher level of success with birth control. Thus a smart kid reduces the odds of a teenage pregnancy. If coming out of college she marries a construction worker I wouldn't have an issue. For now though I prefer her dating in the pool that has the lowest rate of unplanned pregnancy and a higher rate of emotional stability. You talk about "birth control" as though it's something your daughter has absolutely no control over whatsoever. Not trying to detract from your concern for her real-being your attitude just seems oddly clinical. LOTN 2011-04-28 10 45 28 AM Bunnyhat The_Original_Roxtar people need to stick to the formula age/2 +7 19/2 = 9.5 9.5+7 = 16.5 MINIMUM. Damn it. I always forget to add the 7. Oh well since it's your first day. Tatsumaki Senpuu-Kyaku 2011-04-28 10 45 41 AM *sigh* well-being Aidan 2011-04-28 10 48 43 AM Tatsumaki Senpuu-Kyaku Not trying to detract from your concern for her real-being your attitude just seems oddly clinical. "Your job is to keep your baby off the pole " - Chris Rock Not exactly pertinent to the discussion but you reminded me of it. Andulamb 2011-04-28 10 50 07 AM Bunnyhat age/2 +7 Let's see. The youngest person a 12-year-old can have sex with is a 13-year-old. The youngest person that 13-year-old can have sex with is a 13.5-year-old. The youngest person a 14-year-old can have sex with is a 14-year-old. Aha Finally it works. So no one under 14 should be having sex. That should make a lot of parents happy. But what crime can we charge these under-14s with bikerific 2011-04-28 10 51 40 AM It's not a horrible point. The punishment for most people is jail time severe stigma long-term registration and some inconvenient restrictions. This guy's punishment also includes an inability to do his job which. let's face is not a great way to keep people out of the criminal justice system. kingoomieiii 2011-04-28 10 52 09 AM AgentKGB kingoomieiii ha-ha-guy I maintain any senior dating a freshman girl is likely a loser Or a pedophile in training. I knew a guy in high school who would dump his girlfriend every September and start dating a new freshman. And I mean like clockwork he did this three years in a row. If they're freshmen though wouldn't it be ephebophile Well he did the same thing in junior high so I'm guessing he was taking what he could get. JohnWayne'sMangirdle 2011-04-28 10 53 05 AM ha-ha-guy HotWingConspiracy ha-ha-guy HotWingConspiracy ha-ha-guy Those age ranges are going to be interacting and it is my job as a parent to raise my daughter to have higher standards than 19 year old construction worker. At 14 You'd rather she shoot for the 16 year old KFC employee The prevailing standard of a 14 year old girl is "he has a car". I don't really care about after school job just the fact that the kid seems to have an IQ suggesting he will achieve some form of post high school education. I know they likely won't be together for that long but I prefer my daughters establish the habit of picking intelligent partners early. I'm perfectly fine my eldest daughter's boyfriend. He's a nice kid intelligent and polite enough. Treats her well. Now if she brought home a guy who was in vocational training as opposed to college prep classes then dad might say something. I don't really understand the disdain for blue collar people but to each his own. A kid headed off to college is less likely to want to push the relationship in the direction of something permeant and have a much higher level of successful birth control. Basically every study ever done has found the higher the IQ of the participants the higher level of success with birth control. Thus a smart kid reduces the odds of a teenage pregnancy. If coming out of college she marries a construction worker I wouldn't have an issue. For now though I prefer her dating in the pool that has the lowest rate of unplanned pregnancy and a higher rate of emotional stability . So many dickish quotes here it's hard to know where to start. Take a long hard look at what you think you're protecting. It might actually be that the vocational training guys as well as those that only fix your toilets don't want to have shiat to do with your offspring. If you guide them to the right mate though they may get their own reality show. kingoomieiii 2011-04-28 10 54 21 AM Andulamb So no one under 14 should be having sex. That should make a lot of parents happy. But what crime can we charge these under-14s with A lot of states have so-called "Romeo and Juliet laws" that protect minors in consensual relationships with other minors from being charged with statutory rape. They also protect 18-year-olds in relationships with minors from the same if they can prove they were sexually active together before the adult turned 18. HotWingConspiracy 2011-04-28 10 54 39 AM ha-ha-guy HotWingConspiracy ha-ha-guy HotWingConspiracy ha-ha-guy Those age ranges are going to be interacting and it is my job as a parent to raise my daughter to have higher standards than 19 year old construction worker. At 14 You'd rather she shoot for the 16 year old KFC employee The prevailing standard of a 14 year old girl is "he has a car". I don't really care about after school job just the fact that the kid seems to have an IQ suggesting he will achieve some form of post high school education. I know they likely won't be together for that long but I prefer my daughters establish the habit of picking intelligent partners early. I'm perfectly fine my eldest daughter's boyfriend. He's a nice kid intelligent and polite enough. Treats her well. Now if she brought home a guy who was in vocational training as opposed to college prep classes then dad might say something. I don't really understand the disdain for blue collar people but to each his own. A kid headed off to college is less likely to want to push the relationship in the direction of something permeant and have a much higher level of successful birth control. Basically every study ever done has found the higher the IQ of the participants the higher level of success with birth control. Thus a smart kid reduces the odds of a teenage pregnancy. If coming out of college she marries a construction worker I wouldn't have an issue. For now though I prefer her dating in the pool that has the lowest rate of unplanned pregnancy and a higher rate of emotional stability. So you're just playing the numbers here You're not even taking the individual in to account. Just so you know women can prevent themselves from getting pregnant. Random Anonymous Blackmail 2011-04-28 10 56 30 AM Is it really a school if is still under construction precious_crotchflake 2011-04-28 10 56 51 AM cig-mkr Age of consent worldwide Link new window Ah yes the creep defenders have arrived. /actually just one so far. //still early rogue_L_chick 2011-04-28 10 58 00 AM ha-ha-guy Nineteen and fourteen is definitely on the creepy side. With a late birthday I was 14 going into high school. Toss in someone who had was held back a year and you get a 14-19 pairing. I maintain any senior dating a freshman girl is likely a loser but I don't really support criminal charges over that age gap. I feel at those ages you kind of have to base it on peer group. Those age ranges are going to be interacting and it is my job as a parent to raise my daughter to have higher standards than 19 year old construction worker. It is not the job of the police to toss the guy in jail over it. /yes I have two daughters //I would not be happy if they made the same choices as this girl /I would also feel as if I was a bad parent I skipped 8th grade and was 13 going into high school. Yep "dated" an 18 y/o senior first off. I was stupid and he was an idiot gave me condoms for my 14th birthday and my mom found out - ended that shiat right quick . At the time I was flattered that such an older guy was into me - until I grew up a bit and realized it was not my sparkling conversation he was after. ha-ha-guy 2011-04-28 11 01 33 AM Tatsumaki Senpuu-Kyaku ha-ha-guy HotWingConspiracy ha-ha-guy HotWingConspiracy ha-ha-guy Those age ranges are going to be interacting and it is my job as a parent to raise my daughter to have higher standards than 19 year old construction worker. At 14 You'd rather she shoot for the 16 year old KFC employee The prevailing standard of a 14 year old girl is "he has a car". I don't really care about after school job just the fact that the kid seems to have an IQ suggesting he will achieve some form of post high school education. I know they likely won't be together for that long but I prefer my daughters establish the habit of picking intelligent partners early. I'm perfectly fine my eldest daughter's boyfriend. He's a nice kid intelligent and polite enough. Treats her well. Now if she brought home a guy who was in vocational training as opposed to college prep classes then dad might say something. I don't really understand the disdain for blue collar people but to each his own. A kid headed off to college is less likely to want to push the relationship in the direction of something permeant and have a much higher level of successful birth control. Basically every study ever done has found the higher the IQ of the participants the higher level of success with birth control. Thus a smart kid reduces the odds of a teenage pregnancy. If coming out of college she marries a construction worker I wouldn't have an issue. For now though I prefer her dating in the pool that has the lowest rate of unplanned pregnancy and a higher rate of emotional stability. You talk about "birth control" as though it's something your daughter has absolutely no control over whatsoever. Not trying to detract from your concern for her real-being your attitude just seems oddly clinical. Of course she does however her partner also plays a role in that. Better for everyone if both actors are intelligent. There is of course also the STD issue as well where you have to worry the number of previous partners and if the male is intelligent and mature to have have himself checked and not be messing around with other partners on the side. I saw that one a lot during my time in the military. A guy would pick up something off a bar fly and pass it on to his girlfriend. I know she's going to have sex and likely sneak some beers so I want her in the company of an intelligent and responsible partner for those action. I am clinical in the sense that I no longer have direct control over my daughter's life. She's not the cute little girl that does whatever daddy wants anymore. Now she reacts poorly to any direct interference and heavy handed controlled. I know she's having sex even though I wish she wasn't. I also know I don't have the power to prevent her from such actions. The best I can do is work to ensure she spends her time out with a responsible crowd of individuals and low risk situations. We're not at the age where is she is at the playground and I can watch her. Friday now is out with friends not game night with the family. I'm playing the odds game now where I have to hope my parenting has led her to go into situations where the odds favor good outcomes. If I see her doing it in high school I'll worry a lot less when she's in college and even harder to parent. One of the better moments of my parenting career was when she called me for a ride because of car troubles. The real reason she called was she'd clearly had a few beers she was trying to hide it but I know buzzed when I see it and was afraid to drive or ride with her other buzzed friends. I bought the entire "car wouldn't start" line gave her a ride home and nothing was ever said about the underage drinking. I'm just happy at the end she knew the right thing to do was call me for a ride as opposed to trying to drive or ride with drunk friends. ph0rk 2011-04-28 11 01 47 AM Aidan ph0rk HotWingConspiracy I don't really understand the disdain for blue collar people but to each his own. They are bad Americans and bad people obviously. Real Americans work on Wall Street. I don't think he meant it to be particularly disdainful. He's a father of 2 girls. Here are his assumed priorities 1. Daughter is happy in relationship future marriage . 2. Daughter is comfortable in relationship future marriage . 1 could be any boyfriend who treats her right and makes her happy. 2 is anyone with enough MONEY to make her life easy/fun/better. That's *generally* easier with someone going to college. I think the implied statement though is that only stupid people go into construction or date those that do when it is the pressing need for men to earn a living to not be a loser that make young men go into construction in the first place. There are plenty of farktards in college and out of college holding degrees anyway. Displayed 50 of 81 comments First laquo 1 2 raquo Last Show all Redisplay/refresh comments This thread is closed to new comments. 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